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Private Trip and cancel location in Wialon

Topic: Private Trip and cancel location in Wialon

Hello , I hope every body has a merry Christmas
During the last quarter 2017, we met a lot of Customer who are interested by hardware devices uploading vehicle information as kilometers , at what time the vehicle start and stop (trip) , error code from OBD , fuel consumption....
They could use Wialon but they do not want to have location on the web platform
Why ?  because in France a lot of big companies does not want to have conflict with employee and trade union about location or for renting car company they don't have the right to track their customer.
We have  the French CNIL ( commission about IT and freedom ) and we have a lot of law to protect employee and people.
But European Wialon dealer need to be careful because a part of these rules and law could be shared by the European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS)  and a lot of European countries could have the same problem in 2018. https://edps.europa.eu/data-protection_en
In France ,for a lot of employee using tourism car even van ( as sales people or technical people or admin people ) they have the right to cancel the location at any time when they judge  that they are in private trip.
It exist different mean to cancel the location but the standard one well accepted is a button in the car.
It why we need a private device coming from the hardware to cancel the GPS location.
Gurtam has already develop a solution but this solution has some restriction : only with Rupela device  and necessity to use a Dallas key for private trip.
So we would like to improve it to use it with any device with a digital input available.
Now we are thinking that we could have good opportunity to develop more and more Wialon with big fleet  ( 500 to 1000 cars and more) if we could have 2 news functionalities in Wialon:

1)  In the Wialon CMS  the possibility to cancel the location for an account .
  So in this case we keep  the main functionalities of Wialon and the ability to calculate  kilometer by GPS  but without seeing a vehicle on the Map ,without address report ,but keeping geofence to have some alert by notification  , keep command like immobilization to stop a vehicle  but  without "Message" in the menu  because we can see GPS coordinate with it.
This is the market for : renting company , insurance company , fleet management company.
They only want  to know when the car is running , how many time , how many kilometer ,other sensor information and for insurance company  ecodriving information but without position
For your information a competitor like Quartix offer already this possibility. Just for give you an idea ,  in 2 month ( September and October)  we have loosed 2 customers with a total of 100 vehicles because  these 2 customer were too afraid to have location !
Following Solutrans show in lyon in November we are in touch with 2 new big customers with the same request : NO LOCATION.
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2) About Wialon with location ,we understand that Gurtam want to keep the sensor "private mode" as it is, but we would like Gurtam add a second sensor private mode that have the function to cancel the location only when the sensor is activated.
If he does not work with you App Driving log book it is not a big problem for the moment but if you can in the future it will be great.
This kind of device would be mandatory more and more in the future .
This is the market for car in small and medium private company and also in public company.
In 2018  a lot of French big Cities with a lot of car are interested by Tracking solution but with mandatory Private mode.

I would like to have opinion of other Wialon reseller in Europe . As they probably know , Tomtom telematic  Quartix and other competitor have already different solution . But we are also in competition  with new operator as ARVAL ( a renting car company subsidiary of BNP)  who propose telematic platform without location
Thanks you for your attention
Georges From Geoloc Conseils France

Georges  Geoloc
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Private Trip and cancel location in Wialon

Re: Private Trip and cancel location in Wialon

I tested the functionality with an input switch. When the driver turns it on, it automatically switches to private mode and hides the location.

This is great for some cases and some devices and useless for many other devices.

There are devices that do not have the option to install a physical switch but also we have clients that want to set up a schedule to automatically switch ON and OFF the private mode. In these cases there is no way to make it work.

I was thinking of something simpler than depend on the device sensors input. How about by checking an option in the unit settings to enable and disable this functionality as well as setup a schedule either in the same place or using jobs or notifications.

So, when this option is checked Wialon will not keep and save the location data same way as with the physical sensor setup. In any case the data are received by Wialon but dripped if it's in Private Mode.

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nkourtis, for sure, we discussed the variant of settings for hiding location without appropriate hardware. We considered launching Private mode by schedule, by jobs or manually. But all these variants strongly depend on the human factor. If a person leaves work an hour earlier then it is scheduled, we show his location during his real private trip and break the law. If the option is set manually in some interface, we should be ready, that a person will forget to mark the state from work to private or vice versa and we break the law again. All private messages are marked as private during saving in the base and cannot be changed.
This function was requested to follow the law. As manual variants expected to be not accurate and may cause problems, we didn't implement them.

Tatsiana Kots
Ex-Business Analyst, Gurtam
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Tata I understand your point but that should be the customer responsibility. There are many cases when the customer has a set of working hours and should not be change and if the driver uses the vehicle for private use during working hours that is work violation, not law.

Also, another option is to have both options with scheduling and hardware using driver's input. In case the driver leaves early then the manual input override the schedule.

Thank you

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Hello,

Is it possible to set the sensor with the option "text"
why? the clients who use the obd device and want to use this feature must "invent" some tricks and for this I need the text option to receive the info from sensor for later translate it to 1 / 0
thanks

Locating things
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Hello, locationGPS
Did you try to convert a textual parameter to decimal? If it doesn't help, send me an example in PM.

Tatsiana Kots
Ex-Business Analyst, Gurtam
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Re: Private Trip and cancel location in Wialon

yes, I made it, not possible..

Locating things
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locationGPS, then I wait for your mail to tata@gurtam.com with an example

Tatsiana Kots
Ex-Business Analyst, Gurtam
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locationGPS wrote:

ok,.I found it. thanks

question....i am going to use OBD devices which do not have option for sensor....can I create JOBS to make this option work on specific times?

thanks

regards

We also have same issue, unsure what "custom" sensors to create in order to trigger business/private change...... If anyone can assist it would be very much appreciated, customer has 100 units and wishes to use OBD's and are requiring private registering and no visible tracking.

Thanks

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