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Hi dear Gurtam Partners.

Sorry for writing in english but my russian is realy bad in writing...

Well, after talking with the Gurtam Guys at the Cebit yesterday here is something we would need realy as an enhancement for the Wialon Plattform:

A driving logbook.

Here in Germany, Austria and the Swiss (and coming in more and more EU Countrys) there is the need of the above.
If a company owns some cars and this cars CAN be used also for private use, the driver has to pay round about 1,3% of the price of the new car per month as taxes to the taxmen. If he doesnt want to pay that, he has to write a "driving logbook" where he marks, if this was a private trip, or a business trip. If it was a business trip, he also has to write down which customer or potential customer he has visited.

In practice this looks like:
Date, Startadress, Startkm (odometer total value), Stopadress, Stopkm, distance, private/business and remarks.

Basically all this information is there exept the "private / business" flag (can be done by digital input maybe?) and a remarks field.

So what would be perfect for us:
we can generate a kind of report (pre-driving logbook) where customer can click to each "trip" and just have chance to set flag private / business and enter a short text.
than we need a second report where customer just get a printout of this trips together with the private/business information and the remarks.
(for legal reasons it should be noticed somewhere, if later some changes was done in the reports).

Well, anybody else in need of this? Would make Wialon for us more perfect as it is already :-)))

Thanks for your comments
Wolf.

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Here in Estonia we have same demand from our Taxes department. If driver use company car for own trips, driver must fill logbook where mark separately business trip and own trip.

so +1 come from Estonia for this idea smile

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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We're in! In our domestic market (Hungary) this is an absolute necessity.

Eflotta Vehicle Tracking Ltd, Hungary
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Wolf, we talked at CeBIT, as I told we plan to add this feature to Wialon Hosting on short terms after next update.

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Hi,

Here in The Netherlands it is the same, BUT also the street database / postcode database needs an improvement in this case.
But in any way it need to possible to edit the reports in case of ""mistakes"" .

In some cases we need to add up to 25% of the catalogue price of car on our yearly income .

Wialon ""beta"" B2 had this option inside, in a way that it was suitable for ""our"" Tax offices . But this option was removed at the moment B3 came in ""production"" .
( see your (Shal) /our Emails from 14-04-2008 and before ) .

Technical all data is inside B3 also, but the ""cosmetic way"" to put on paper is not available. Now we solve by export to Excel ...add the fields we need ...customer can ""edit"" ...and it will be printed for the ""tax"" guy's  .

regards
Baltika

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shal
Алексей, когда примерно ждать этот функционал. У нас 3 клиента с общим автопарком в 820 машин зависли в "воздухе". Не рассматривают вариант перехода от конкурента, пока сего функционала нет...

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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GoGPS, please vote for feature reuqest.

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shal
Всегда пожалуйста smile

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how and where to vote? i also would like (extremely) to vote for it.

Wolf.

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Baltika
Pls vote also, may be this can help to us get this feature faster...

Добавлено спустя    52 секунды:

wwbusch wrote:

how and where to vote? i also would like (extremely) to vote for it.

Wolf.

Upper right corner!

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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did :-)

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wwbusch
Super, baltika also already voted...

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shal
Алексей, наверное на этом кол-во голосов и закончится. smile Похоже не всем пользователям Wialon из ЕС нужен этот функционал... Весьма странно...Закон относительно использования транспорта фирмы в личных целях практически идентичен...

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shal
Алексей, дайте пожалуйста четкий ответ, будет ли добавлен этот функционал?

Что бы мы, либо ждали его, либо начали писать костыли, как выражается Уважаемый akkros...

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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Yep, it is important feature that will be available on Wialon Hosting in one of next updates this year.

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(edited by GoGPS 14/08/2012 01:30:13)

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shal
Yesss!!!!!
Алексей, с меня причитается smile

С кем из Гуртам можно переговорить на эту тему? Что бы функционал был сделан максимально правильно и что бы не получилось "сделали то, не знаем что" smile

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GoGPS, it is better to post here, cause we count at least 3 EU customers that are requesting the features: from DE, NL, EE.
It will be difficult to sync all opinions by email.

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This is great to create better reports for the tax guys here in the Netherlands!!

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shal
Алексей, могу написать на русском?

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GoGPS, конечно wink
Но тогда не все те кто заинтересован в данной фиче буду понимать Вас, поэтому во избежание недоразумения лучше писать на английском.

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shal
Я подозреваю, что после описания мною этого функционала на английском, перестанут понимать вообще все smile

Но я попробую smile На крайний случай, есть Гуртамовцы которые перфектно говорят на английском и надеюсь смогут помочь перевести...

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Прошу прощения за задержку...

Итак, как бы хотелось это видеть:

В карточке обьекта появится новый таб "Расписание, стоимость". В этом табе будут вводиться следующие данные:

1. Дни недели и период времени со скольки и до скольки поездки будут считаться "Рабочими" по дефолту
2. Стоимость километра в случае использования автомобиля фирмы в личных целях
3. Стоимость литра топлива
4. Валюта

Если нет желания выводить это в отдельный таб, можно добавить например эти данные в таб "Дополнительно"

При генерации отчета "Поездки", в отчет будет попадать:

1. Тип поездки - "Рабочая/Личная", причем с возможностью сразу в отчете через выпадающее меню менять тип поездки. Это сразу действует и на "Итого" (см. ниже). Так же Wialon запомнит этот выбор и в случае генерации этого отчета спустя некоторое время, выведет его в точно таком же виде.
2. Стоимость километра в случае использования автомобиля фирмы в личных целях
3. Стоимость литра топлива

по п1 в случае генерации отчета это может быть как выпадающее меню с выбором типа поездки, так и чекбокс.
Например надо изменить 10 поездок с бизнес на частную, ставим галочки в тех поездках, которые требуют изменения. После чего нажимаем кнопку "Изменить на частную".  Все отмеченные поездки изменятся.
Так же в случае изменения поездки с частной на рабочую. Отмечаем галочками все поездки, которые надо изменить с частной на рабочую и нажимаем кнопку "Изменить на рабочую". Все поездки отмеченные галочками изменяются на рабочии. Это сразу действует и на "Итого" (см. ниже).


В ИТОГО выводится:

1. Кол-во рабочих поездок, кол-во личных поездок
2. Общая стоимость в случае использования автомобиля фирмы в личных целях
3. Общая стоимость потраченного топлива

Как то так smile Надеюсь, что смог более менее понятно обьяснить...

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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Hi Eduard, hi guys,

sounds good until now, but a "legal" driving logbook (in whole EU as i know) needs to have also following reports:

Start_Date, StopDate, Startadress,Stopadress,StartKM, StopKM, Who was visited!!!! and flag Private/Business/Gazoline-Station

We are getting so much demand for it....

Wolf

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Hello Wolf!

In trip report we and You have all needed except type of trip (Business/Private)

Start_Date - have (Beginning)
StopDate - have (End)
Startadress - have (Initial location)
Stopadress - have (Final location)
StartKM - have (Initial mileage)
StopKM - have (Final mileage)
Who was visited - use Driver or Notes

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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yes. there must be a simple possibility to add a commend and than driving loogbook is ready :-)
(exept for fuel adding at the gazoline station)

Wolf.

P.S. thanks for the tip with the can bus adapter :-)

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stde
Денис, когда примерно ждать реализации?

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GoGPS, I suppose that at 2nd conference day exact details about "how this feature should be implemented before we will release next Wialon Hosting update" should be discussed with all patricipants from EU.
AFAIK currently your requirements are differ, this blocking from us implementation stage.

thanks wink

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Понял, Алексей!

Надеюсь гости из ЕС не подведут и смогут обьяснить, что же все таки в точности надо smile

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ok, i will "book" a one2one date with you dear gurtam team on 2nd day :-)

Wolf.

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wwbusch
Thank You Wolf. We can not visit this time Gurtam conference (pity sad ) but I hope, You can hold our position on this serious question/feature smile

Eduard Vald / GoGPS Service
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Driver Logbook implemented as Wialon App will be available for usage starting from upcoming upgrade.
This Wialon App implemented as opensource (using sourceforge) so everybody may use and enhance it with own interface/feature. We will place its source codes to public place in next few weeks.

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Hi Shal,

how should we understand that? There will be a "Wialon app" for smartphones? The App will be Open Source and can be modified by us. The app will use API/SDK of Wialon Hosting and transmit some "Status" to the Plattform? Than the Plattform can be used to generate reports like a driving logbook?

Thanks for some more Infos,

Wolf.

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shal
Алексей, можно поподробнее про журнал поездок. Не совсем понятно, как вы его реализовали...

Прочитал в блоге. Вопрос снят smile

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wwbusch, no, App is a web application, like a plugin or separate window tool for Wialon Hosting.

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Hi Shal,

thanks,
i found the blog entry and now i understand it :-)

Great function with the apps :-)

Wolf.

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Базовый вариант появится в виде apps  27-28 явнавря

Denis Strakh, Gurtam
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приложение доступно тут http://apps.wialon.com

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stde
Денис, есть возможность протестировать работу Logbook на наших обьектах без активации SDK?

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GoGPS wrote:

stde
Денис, есть возможность протестировать работу Logbook на наших обьектах без активации SDK?

пока альтернативных вариантов не вижу.

Denis Strakh, Gurtam
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Друзья! Прочитал в инструкции к driving logbook следующее: "Дополнительно в свойствах объекта можно задать стоимость одного километра и одного литра топлива. Если поездка личная, это позволяет вывести в отчете ее стоимость". Простите, но не вижу в свойствах объектах стоимости километра. Подскажите, пожалуйста, где смотреть?

ООО "Е-хаус"
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Hi dear Gurtam-Developer-Team,

i very much like the Driving-Logbook, but i (our customers) can not use it because there is no KM value in the reports.
For Legal usage we need to write in our "drivinglogbook" the start-km of of the Odometer and the stop-km of the odometer and the distance...

Any chance to get this fields added?

Thanks
Wolf.

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wwbusch. Thanks.
Strange, as if you're unable to use it in the way it is now - who can than. As it's the EU legislation , non member states (as far as i know).

Will get a closer look on Monday, and will appreciate some more details on the case. As the app was exclusively made to seve you, estonians, and other partners to the west of Belarus.

Aliaksandr Kuŭshynaŭ, Gurtam
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Hi Aliaksandr,

Driving logbook needs the following informations:
Unit-Name, Date when report was generated
than:
Date/time of start of trip, start adress, date/time of end of trip, end adress, start-km, end-km, driven km, flag private/business, comments(free text)

purpose for this information is, that government (taxmen) can check how many km you drive private and how many km you drive for business. than they calculate some kind of quote and the driver has to pay for the private usage for each km some money.

I think as this data is already available, it should be just some simple code changes or?

Thanks for reading my message :-)

Wolf.

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Hi guys (and ladies),

when using the driving loggbook i found one bad point:
kilometers are calculated without .xx, so 2.4km plus 2.4km are shown as "2km" and "2km" but gives a total of 5km. So there is an internal rounding but this is not shown.
So customer asks "if i am driving 2km and 2km and result is 5km, how should i explain it to the taxmen?

Maybe you can show in the driving loogbook 1 digit after the "."?

Thanks Wolf.

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ok.
we will add one digit after decimal point.

Aliaksandr Kuŭshynaŭ, Gurtam
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great that would be perfect!

Thanks
Wolf.

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Hi Guys,

when discussing with existing customers and potential customers about driving logbook they show us always the leading competitor plattforms here in germany (namely tomtom) and they have a "button" which they can connect to the gps tracker which has two functions: "Private" and "Businesstrip".

So they just click on the button to enable private trip and do not need to add this information manualy at the "driving logbook" software.

Any chance to get such a function implemented?

For exampe: If digital input x (should be configurable in the driving logbook, for example in1 or in2 or in3 etc) is 1 the trip is a business trip.
than in the driving logbook app the "dropdown" list should be by default a "businesstrip" (but user should be able to switch it to private trip).
If the input was 0 during the trip, it should be a private trip.

Any ideas from other partners?

Thanks a lot
Wolf.

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Hello Wolf,
we are also solving similar problem. Customer has mounted switch (IN2) in his vehicle that divide what kind of drive is he on (business/personal).
I solved this problem by setup of sensors and by function "Register Events".
Maybe it will help you also. Then let me know.
Manual is in attachment.

Michal

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Hi Michal,

always cool to see how to solve such problems just by configuration (3 times threw the nose and back to the ears and so on ;-)

But we have also the problem: in private mode no gps data is allowed to collect, so this we could not solve... (without firmware changes)

Any idea?

Wolf.

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Hi Wolf,
If I understand it right, you need to setup the system that data recorded during the personal drives would not be in the report (for example)?
Do you want to have only business drives in the report?

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Hi Michael,

personal data security law says: private mode = no gps data saved anywhere.
so not only reports but there must be no data in Wialon if user set private mode...

(impossible in my eyes to set this in Wialon)

Wolf.

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wwbusch aka Buwo wrote:

Hi Michael,
personal data security law says: private mode = no gps data saved anywhere.
so not only reports but there must be no data in Wialon if user set private mode...
(impossible in my eyes to set this in Wialon)
Wolf.

Maybe after you define the private mode periods you should click on kill the history button in the DL app, so all private mode trips would be erased in Wialon.
So, technically we would get data and store it for a short time, but be deleted eventually?

Aliaksandr Kuŭshynaŭ, Gurtam
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Hi Aliaksandr,

we solved this just by special firmware which does not send any data to wialon if private mode was enabled.
problem here is that no data = no driving logbook... but for driving logbook of cause we need start and stop with odometer...
so personaly i did not find a practical solution for this exept if there would be something like:

define a sensor with flag "private mode switch". if wialon gets a message with this sensor = on, wialon calculates still internaly the odometer values but just not saves the data.  arghhh, i also dont know what would be the best... need to think about it...

maybe some other guys here have same same problem?

Wolf.

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wwbusch aka Buwo, in TomTom solution data is still stored, but it is not avaible for vieweing by customer (but I suppose is visible to service provider). And of course position in real time is not updating.

Real time position is currently main issue in WIalon, cause in reports it is really easy to filter our privet trips details with just showing their mileage.

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I propose next solution for private/business info:

We will introduce new sensor: "Private trip" that will be used for detection of private/business trips. In business(&undefined) trips Logbook will show info as it is now. For trips with activated private switch, all entries will just show the date & mileag.

Will it help?

Also we can optionally add auto-information form POI/geofences in visited Customer info.

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Hi Shal,

that sounds great! so maybe when you implement this, you can also add something like "delete message"?
it could be a good enhancement to "notification" system as a new "what should be done" function: deletion of actual message if a sensor value = active)

Wolf.

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Hello Shal,
we would also need the solution for new sensor “ Private trip”. It is very good idea. Currently for record of personal/business drive we are using digital input of GPS tracker that by the notification “Sensor value – Register units status” automatically write in application Driving Logbook as Trip status.
The problem is that in this solution are to Trip status written also other registered events like crossing of state boarders that are managed by geofence notification.

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I would like to also ask if it is possible to link somehow the fields “Notes” in Driving logbook application with “Notes” shown in Reports. The customers would like to make electronic notes for example reason for business drive and so on.
Currently the “Notes” field in Report is mainly for written of notes after printing of report on the paper. Or am I wrong? Thank you.

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okido, "Private mode" sensor we will do before CeBIT.

mimicar wrote:

Currently the “Notes” field in Report is mainly for written of notes after printing of report on the paper. Or am I wrong? Thank you.

I will post you reply later.

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mimicar wrote:

Currently the “Notes” field in Report is mainly for written of notes after printing of report on the paper. Or am I wrong? Thank you.

Yep, Notes is a simple column in reports not connected to logbook app. We will make the connection and in reports, if it will find and stored value (entered in driver logbook), it will display it.

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How about a button to automatically fill Notes with geofences/POI names avaible to user? e.g. if anybody is storing there customers information, to minimize manual entering. Will it be usefull for somebody?

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Shal, i think as name of Geofences is already added automaticaly, thats enough...
But we are facing next problem with stupied taxmen... seems that "business" and "Private" is not enough, they added additional category "drivie home-office"... So wondering if is could be possible to create "universal" a dropdownlist where user can add something like rubriks and they are shown only in his account. If he than see his trips, he can select his individual category from the dropdownlist (or by sensor its autpmaticaly choosen .-)

Wolf.

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Private trips will be selected automatically by sensor, and cant be modified manually. How with home/office drive?

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<dream mode on>
select one geofence as home, 2nd as office, if trip is from home -->office or office-->home set the flag.
<dream mode off>

but manual selection in drop down is total ok.

Wolf

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home-office is a private trip by sensor or not?

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and 2nd: home-office is one trip? Can it be divided by several trips?

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Hi Shal,

if home-office-home can be organised by sensor that would be more cool (Tom Tom is doing that with a 3 button solution, 1 button = business, 2nd button private, 3rd button = home-office-home

in germany the home-office-home MUST be always one trip but i cant say for sure how it is in other counties...

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yep, we can do it with geofences in dream mode.

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Hello Shal,
I would like to ask you if it is possible to add into application Driving logbook (or to reports) information about crossing of borders.
Basically we need to give our customers information about when and where their vehicle cross the borders.
It is due to legislative reasons because employer have to pay for foot during foreign business trips.
Thank you for answer.

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mimicar  you can use the geofence to take account the border crossing.
The application displays the initial position and the end of each trips. The country is also indicated.
If at the time of finishing the trip car hit the geofence - will be displayed and use information address and name of the geofence.

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Hello maan,
thank you for answer but we do not need to know when the driver started from initial position of one country and when he end the trip in the foreign country, or how many hours driver spent in single countries.
We need to know when he crossed the boarders of single foreign countries. According to these information are calculated business trip costs in our country. We have this rule in our country according to our law:
- during the business trip that start and end in Slovak republic is determinig for calculation of travel costs  time of crossing the state boarders.

If driver drives the vehicle without stop then we can see in reports and also in Driving Logbook application only start and end of the trip but not the time of crossing the single state boarders (see attachment "Trip 1").
We already have created geofences for the countries to which our customers are traveling and currently we are trying to solve it using notification (entry a exit from geofence – Register unit status).
Unfortunately this solution is complicated, not working always and sometime it is mixed up in Driving Logbook application in column "Trip status" with business / private drives.
Thank you in advance for help.

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mimicar, thanks for explanation. But you may already use normal "geofences" report or split trips by geofences. Why do you need it in logbook app?

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We have the same here in Germany: "employe" can get a "expenses" money for each day he does business trips and they depend of each country you are visiting. But i think that "driving logbook" would be the wrong place to solve this kind of reporting as "business trips calculation" regarding expenses and everything else is a very complex theme and for sure cant be solved with driving logbook.

Just create geofence report with marked "country" geofences and you get with one click the exact times the driver has spent in each country.

Wolf

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GoGPS wrote:

stde
Денис, когда примерно ждать реализации?

Ориентировочно конец февраля.
In the end of the month.

Denis Strakh, Gurtam
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Hello Shal,
you are right that we do not need so much the information about crossing the state borders in the Logbook application. We need it mainly in the Reports due to export of data to CSV format in which the state borders crossing would be written. Most of our customers use external applications for calculation of business trip costs for single drivers and according to countries in which they were.  Therefore we need to know (and have record) where and when (place and time) the driver crossed the state borders.

We accept that Logbook application is not suitable for this. But we are trying to find some solution how to meet requirements of our customers.
In any case we are thankful for any answer.

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wwbusch aka Buwo ,
I have a few questions for you. I just want to make sure we understand correctly what is to be done here.

Surely, geofences "Home" and "Office" should be assigned to each unit individually. Am I right? In addition, is there any need of assigning several homes and offices for one unit?

Drives like "Home — Office" and "Office — Home" form the third category of drive status, apart from "Personal" and "Business". Am I right?

If no indications of status have been discovered, such drive is considered "Business". Or should it be left "undefined" (with empty status)?

Katerina Alexandrova
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alex, i am just on holidays, if i cleared my brain, i m coming back to this...

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Hi .
The driving logbook  can save a lot of  Tax money in some countries.
The account men need to get all the trips in excel/csv format so they can calculate the bussiness trips.
Today it is possible only to print the driving logbook report.
So i like to propose the ability to export the logbook as excel/csv.
Customers would buy tracking service only to get the tax discount they can get.
So it is very important to have it.

Thanks
Koby

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We just updated Driving Logbook app

Now it uses another trip detection mechanism (same as Wialon Mobile App) and works much faster.
Another cool feature - auto detection of trip status using "Private mode" sensor or Home-Office geofences.

Also we're under development new print reports with additional information about driver/unit on it.

If you want to use previous app version you can edit app url in cms.manager from http://apps.wialon.com/drivinglogbook/ to http://apps.wialon.com/drivinglogbook/v1.6/

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yes yes yes,

and now we need only to be able to set the trips with comments in the WIALON APP and we have superdupi perfect driving logbook!!!

(as i understand i can set a "sensor" in unit configuration for private trip / business trip or?

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Hey Wolf

wwbusch aka Buwo wrote:

and now we need only to be able to set the trips with comments in the WIALON APP

You already can, each trip has "Notes" column. Or you need something more?

wwbusch aka Buwo wrote:

as i understand i can set a "sensor" in unit configuration for private trip / business trip or?

You're right. Just create "Private mode" sensor according with http://docs.gurtam.com/en/hosting/cms/u … sors/types and everything should work. Please give me to know about your testing result

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Hi Shmi,

i mean in the Wialon APP for IOS/Android... there we can see each tripp, it would be cool to swipe it to the side, choose "private/business/officehom" and enter a comment. And if i than choose driving logbook on Browser (PC), i already see the comments i set there.
That would allow the drivers just after each trip (or when he sit 15 minutes at the toilet playing with his smartphone and producing a big bio-energy-waste-hill) to add the trips to the driving logbook...

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Oh i see now..

We'll think about it..  i'm not sure that mobile app is right place, but who knows

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shmi wrote:

We'll think about it..  i'm not sure that mobile app is right place, but who knows

The Wialon mobile app is not really the best place for it, but I think Wolfgang needs something, what can help to do it simply and quickly. Without to use the PC. There are tons of such apps in Germany, but they all use their own trips, collected on the mobile device, and of course they do not use Wialon.
If you want to use something what already exists, the Wialon app would be the good place for this functionality.
But I think the very best would be to use an extra utility for it.

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Wolf, let us gather 1000 users for this app in Germany (in web first) and we will implement this plugin for you smile

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shal wrote:

Wolf, let us gather 1000 users for this app in Germany (in web first) and we will implement this plugin for you smile

If this plugin will be implemented in GPS Trace, you will become 10000. smile

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shal wrote:

Wolf, let us gather 1000 users for this app in Germany (in web first) and we will implement this plugin for you smile

shal, you are right. had yesterday a presentation for exact this f*cking driving logbook think and they said: ohhh, our drivers need to do something manually and i said yes, thats the law, ohhh do you really think they will log into a computer and enter something???
so i said would they do it on their smartphones and she looked at me with big eyes and said: smartphone? we are happy that this guys can use their Nokia 1208 phones...

so the big question is: who really will use it or is it just a "ohh our competitors can do and we can do too but we know at the end nobody use it in real but its great for marketing".

as i remember only 2! of all of our users is using it regulary and in real. and not because we dont show them but because they understand that a written driving logbook you can fake. electronic you cant.

i am only thinking that its good for marketing...

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kalaschnikow wrote:
shal wrote:

Wolf, let us gather 1000 users for this app in Germany (in web first) and we will implement this plugin for you smile

If this plugin will be implemented in GPS Trace, you will become 10000. smile

Valeri,

gps trace = imagine the support traffic to Gurtam Team for free when people use driving logbook and something is not working as they need...

brrrrr

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wwbusch aka Buwo wrote:

Valeri,

gps trace = imagine the support traffic to Gurtam Team for free when people use driving logbook and something is not working as they need...

brrrrr

It was a joke Wolfgang wink

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Hello everyone

Today we installed small update - now you can choose one of printing template in app settings. Play with header/footer param and find template best fit to your customers.

Also we added payment calculation - you can specify mileage cost in settings.

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Hi .

The Accountant  needs  to get all the trips in excel/csv  format .
Today it is possible only to print the driving logbook report.

So I  propose the need  to export the logbook as excel/csv.

Be aware: Customers would buy tracking service only to get the tax discount they can get.
So it is very important to have it.

Thanks
Koby

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Hi everyone

We updated app. Now you can export logbook to CVS and Excel

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Yes Yes Yes
Now you can export Driving logbook  to  Excel. 
This is great feature to get Excel report for accountant to get Tax saving.
This feature should push the selling.

I was asking it few times till I  met  Alexander Smirnov.
He promised to push it and here it is working.
It works fine.
Big like to the development Team.

Koby
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Hi Koby,

Great that you like it smile
All praise is to our Gurtam Developers Team (in this case, Labs Dev Team with shmi&Co). They are awesome and do their job as best as possible to help our partners, always. That we talked is a...coincidence wink

Alexander Smirnov
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Smal,

stil problems in driving logbook with the new "event" system.
Big discrepances between trip report and what the driving logbook shows.

At the moment we warn our customers not to use it...

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shal wrote:
mimicar wrote:

Currently the “Notes” field in Report is mainly for written of notes after printing of report on the paper. Or am I wrong? Thank you.

Yep, Notes is a simple column in reports not connected to logbook app. We will make the connection and in reports, if it will find and stored value (entered in driver logbook), it will display it.

Hello,
I would like to ask about 2 things.
1. last year (04.02.2015 - answered Shal) we were solving possibility of connection between Driving Logbook and Reports. In concrete it was about fields "Trip Status" and "Notes". As far as I know this connection worked perfect, but currently is not working.

2. Drivers assigned to vehicle are not shown in the Driving Logbook application while in the reports the drivers are assigned to vehicles.
Where can be the problem?

Michal

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mimicar, it seams it could be a kind of bug. So, please contact our technical support team about the point 2.

Concerning the point 1, this issue is still in process.

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam