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Topic: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Hello,

Maybe someone can help with this or can Gurtam improve to have good data regarding the driver activity.

The problem is regarding the driver activity functionality. (http://prntscr.com/cd8t9w).

As I see the shown info (driving, rest...) is affected by assigned driver (binding) to truck so the data is not really correct.

'Driving' status is registered as driver's activity when either trip or stop have been detected for a unit.
'Work' status is registered when parking have been detected.
'Rest' status is registered upon unbinding a driver from such a unit

Like this, the driving times add REST + DRIVING status.

Any way to use this tool when client does not have the ibutton or will not do unbindings manually?

In my opinion, work status is not really useful for clients as they want to know mostly the driving times and the correct stops.

So, maybe it could be good just to have DRIVING status and REST status?

Thanks

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Hello,
I have the same problem. The idea is good but that option for now is not useful. Probably same day they gonna fix it.

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

hello, maybe you will find notifications unbinding useful in those cases? and same time - how the client is going to have driver data if he doesn't have i-button/dallas key reader/ whatever?

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Hello,

Normally the truck is driven by the same driver.

ibuttons in our case is rarely used and if they are, just for technical service or ambulances.

Notifications about unbiding are not useful then. do you imagine dispatcher biding and unbiding the trucks when they are always full of job with loads??

Thanks

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Hello!

Driver's activity information helps to control whether a driver follows the AETR standards or not.
So if customers doesn't need to control driver activity with AETR standards it's better to set up 'None' for driver activity
It's possible to sort units in the list with bound drivers, so you always can see which units with driver, so Driving, which without drivers, so drivers rest
The same sorting is possible on driver panel

Diana Cheley
Wialon Hosting Expert
Gurtam
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Hello chdi,

Thanks for explaining what was this tool for....

What I am trying to make is to have it useful for the majority of clients (those I mean do not have tacho sollution or ibutton options).

As i saw on other platforms how they solved it I thought it was good to share this with you to see if you want to improve it.

Thanks

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Hello:

Right now you have a tool that you can read the
> driving times, stop times and working from a truck
> http://prntscr.com/ck9frz but this info is not good if the client has
> not installed any driver identification or tacho solution.
>
>     I understand you know how this tool works; briefly: DRIVING TIMES -
> truck moving / WORKING TIMES - vehicle stop with no driver attached /
> STOP TIMES
> - truck with driver stopped:
>
>     In my country, normally, drivers are the same so they do not change them and
> do not need the ibutton thing.     Tacho solution is quite difficult as
> trucks has different tacho brands, different years and it is quite
> difficult to have a 100% fleet with them installed.
>
>     How other competitors solve it? You choose: http://prntscr.com/ck9hr6 ;
> by routes, so you have then:      DRIVING TIMES - truck moving / WORKING
> TIMES -  STOP TIMES - truck stopped: of course
>
>     It is not 100% real data BUT for clients is enough.

3. How you see it should be realized in Wialon. Not "it's somehow
> >>> done
> in this system and here's a screen-shot" - it's about "I see it as a
> new tab in this report template, I see it as a button here, I see it
> as a new notification trigger, etc." This is on your techs. Side, I
> understand they will know much better than I to make it but it should
> be seen in a fast, easy way for dispatcher of the truck company: Example on another platform:
> http://prntscr.com/ck8to5

-->> as you have now is enough, you do not have to make it
> as in the image (http://prntscr.com/ck8to5 ) , I just put it to
> understand the potential other platforms have with this tool and how they solve it.
>
>     So, as I say, the way right now is shown in your platform is good but
>
>     1) it should work fine just with route calculation
>     2) it should have the rest of information the client would need : if
> you read the law it always makes calculations considering 2 weeks; in
> those two weeks you can do 2 periods of 10 hours  and 9 hours period restings :
> http://prntscr.com/ck9q6f
>
>                                      You will know how many hours can the truck drive for the
> rest of the week when have to start the rest...:
> http://prntscr.com/ck9qy0
>
>                                     And so on.
>
>                                     If it is shown here: http://prntscr.com/ck9ra5 would be
> perfect (aswell as on the other sides now is displayed, below the
> object, when you point at it in the map or control panel).
>
The idea is: I am the dispatcher, I have request of loads to
> give to a truck, let's see which trucks have free hours to give.
>
>     To be seen in the dashboard, I do not think clients are ready to work
> with this tool yet...they are starting to learn the platform....

transcribed from a email
I hope is better like this
thanks

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Cucu?

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Dear locationGPS, can you please explain your proposal  in more detail?

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Hello,
I totally agree with you. Our customers want the same as yours.

locationGPS wrote:

Hello:

Right now you have a tool that you can read the
> driving times, stop times and working from a truck
> http://prntscr.com/ck9frz but this info is not good if the client has
> not installed any driver identification or tacho solution.
>
>     I understand you know how this tool works; briefly: DRIVING TIMES -
> truck moving / WORKING TIMES - vehicle stop with no driver attached /
> STOP TIMES
> - truck with driver stopped:
>
>     In my country, normally, drivers are the same so they do not change them and
> do not need the ibutton thing.     Tacho solution is quite difficult as
> trucks has different tacho brands, different years and it is quite
> difficult to have a 100% fleet with them installed.
>
>     How other competitors solve it? You choose: http://prntscr.com/ck9hr6 ;
> by routes, so you have then:      DRIVING TIMES - truck moving / WORKING
> TIMES -  STOP TIMES - truck stopped: of course
>
>     It is not 100% real data BUT for clients is enough.

3. How you see it should be realized in Wialon. Not "it's somehow
> >>> done
> in this system and here's a screen-shot" - it's about "I see it as a
> new tab in this report template, I see it as a button here, I see it
> as a new notification trigger, etc." This is on your techs. Side, I
> understand they will know much better than I to make it but it should
> be seen in a fast, easy way for dispatcher of the truck company: Example on another platform:
> http://prntscr.com/ck8to5

-->> as you have now is enough, you do not have to make it
> as in the image (http://prntscr.com/ck8to5 ) , I just put it to
> understand the potential other platforms have with this tool and how they solve it.
>
>     So, as I say, the way right now is shown in your platform is good but
>
>     1) it should work fine just with route calculation
>     2) it should have the rest of information the client would need : if
> you read the law it always makes calculations considering 2 weeks; in
> those two weeks you can do 2 periods of 10 hours  and 9 hours period restings :
> http://prntscr.com/ck9q6f
>
>                                      You will know how many hours can the truck drive for the
> rest of the week when have to start the rest...:
> http://prntscr.com/ck9qy0
>
>                                     And so on.
>
>                                     If it is shown here: http://prntscr.com/ck9ra5 would be
> perfect (aswell as on the other sides now is displayed, below the
> object, when you point at it in the map or control panel).
>
The idea is: I am the dispatcher, I have request of loads to
> give to a truck, let's see which trucks have free hours to give.
>
>     To be seen in the dashboard, I do not think clients are ready to work
> with this tool yet...they are starting to learn the platform....

transcribed from a email
I hope is better like this
thanks

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Thanks Geri,
Alek, tell me if there is something missing and I can explain...or maybe we can have a meeting with tech. and solve their doubtes about the explained info.
For our market is quite important.
Thanks
Regards

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Sorry, locationGPS, I still don't get your idea. What is your proposal or your problem exactly?

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Hello,

Problem: This info : http://prntscr.com/ck9frz is useless unless you have the ibutton or tacho installed
solution: if you create an option to see this info by routes info it will be useful for the rest of the clients that did not installed the ibutton / tacho sollution

For what? this tool helps a lot dispatcher persons to assign the load to their trucks.

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

locationGPS, please try this: choose driver activity "By bindings" in unit properties (Advanced tab) and see if it helps.

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Hello,
No, this tool only works when you have ibutton working with device, which is not the common thing.
On my explanation was desribed..

Thanks

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

I think, it is supposed to work with manual bindings, too.

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Hello,

Correct, but my idea is to use this tool with the rest of the market that do not use the Tacho and the ibuttons.

Thanks

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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

So, this feature really works without tacho and without iButton.

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

Correct, but works bad smile


it add working times + stop times, so calculation are not correct.

>     I understand you know how this tool works; briefly: DRIVING TIMES -
> truck moving / WORKING TIMES - vehicle stop with no driver attached /
> STOP TIMES
> - truck with driver stopped:

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And what is wrong with this algorithm? How would you suggest to improve it?

Katerina Alexandrova
Product Manager (Hecterra)
Gurtam
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Re: Bindings for tacho information by routes

How other competitors solve it? You choose: http://prntscr.com/ck9hr6 ;
> by routes, so you have then:      DRIVING TIMES - truck moving / WORKING
> TIMES -  STOP TIMES - truck stopped: of course
>
>     It is not 100% real data BUT for clients is enough.

3. How you see it should be realized in Wialon. Not "it's somehow
> >>> done
> in this system and here's a screen-shot" - it's about "I see it as a
> new tab in this report template, I see it as a button here, I see it
> as a new notification trigger, etc." This is on your techs. Side, I
> understand they will know much better than I to make it but it should
> be seen in a fast, easy way for dispatcher of the truck company: Example on another platform:
> http://prntscr.com/ck8to5

-->> as you have now is enough, you do not have to make it
> as in the image (http://prntscr.com/ck8to5 ) , I just put it to
> understand the potential other platforms have with this tool and how they solve it.
>
>     So, as I say, the way right now is shown in your platform is good but
>
>     1) it should work fine just with route calculation
>     2) it should have the rest of information the client would need : if
> you read the law it always makes calculations considering 2 weeks; in
> those two weeks you can do 2 periods of 10 hours  and 9 hours period restings :
> http://prntscr.com/ck9q6f
>
>                                      You will know how many hours can the truck drive for the
> rest of the week when have to start the rest...:
> http://prntscr.com/ck9qy0
>
>                                     And so on.
>
>                                     If it is shown here: http://prntscr.com/ck9ra5 would be
> perfect (aswell as on the other sides now is displayed, below the
> object, when you point at it in the map or control panel).
>
The idea is: I am the dispatcher, I have request of loads to
> give to a truck, let's see which trucks have free hours to give.
>
>     To be seen in the dashboard, I do not think clients are ready to work
> with this tool yet...they are starting to learn the platform....

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Hello LocationGPS,

What you think about use ignition and motion
Ignition ON +motion on vehicle=working
Ignition ON without motion= another working
Ignition OFF= Rest
I think that is possible to be done.
You are absolutely right that is not correct, but will be enough.

Regards
Geri


locationGPS wrote:

How other competitors solve it? You choose: http://prntscr.com/ck9hr6 ;
> by routes, so you have then:      DRIVING TIMES - truck moving / WORKING
> TIMES -  STOP TIMES - truck stopped: of course
>
>     It is not 100% real data BUT for clients is enough.

3. How you see it should be realized in Wialon. Not "it's somehow
> >>> done
> in this system and here's a screen-shot" - it's about "I see it as a
> new tab in this report template, I see it as a button here, I see it
> as a new notification trigger, etc." This is on your techs. Side, I
> understand they will know much better than I to make it but it should
> be seen in a fast, easy way for dispatcher of the truck company: Example on another platform:
> http://prntscr.com/ck8to5

-->> as you have now is enough, you do not have to make it
> as in the image (http://prntscr.com/ck8to5 ) , I just put it to
> understand the potential other platforms have with this tool and how they solve it.
>
>     So, as I say, the way right now is shown in your platform is good but
>
>     1) it should work fine just with route calculation
>     2) it should have the rest of information the client would need : if
> you read the law it always makes calculations considering 2 weeks; in
> those two weeks you can do 2 periods of 10 hours  and 9 hours period restings :
> http://prntscr.com/ck9q6f
>
>                                      You will know how many hours can the truck drive for the
> rest of the week when have to start the rest...:
> http://prntscr.com/ck9qy0
>
>                                     And so on.
>
>                                     If it is shown here: http://prntscr.com/ck9ra5 would be
> perfect (aswell as on the other sides now is displayed, below the
> object, when you point at it in the map or control panel).
>
The idea is: I am the dispatcher, I have request of loads to
> give to a truck, let's see which trucks have free hours to give.
>
>     To be seen in the dashboard, I do not think clients are ready to work
> with this tool yet...they are starting to learn the platform....

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Hello,

what do you mean here :

Ignition ON without motion= another working

Another working ???? not sure how would be displaye but if it is not added to working (ignition ON + Moving) could work,

the way i explained I think it was correct and not dificult to define it.

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nice

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What would we do at the end with this request? anything┬┐
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